{"id":15727,"date":"2026-10-30T10:51:37","date_gmt":"2026-10-30T09:51:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dailyai.com\/?p=15727"},"modified":"2026-10-30T10:51:37","modified_gmt":"2026-10-30T09:51:37","slug":"deepseek-and-moonshot-used-gpt-6-astra-to-train-models-report-says","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dailyai.com\/nl\/2026\/10\/deepseek-and-moonshot-used-gpt-6-astra-to-train-models-report-says\/","title":{"rendered":"DeepSeek en Moonshot gebruikten GPT-6 Astra om modellen te trainen, aldus een rapport."},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Volgens een rapport van The Information hebben twee van China&#039;s bekendste AI-laboratoria veelvuldig gebruikgemaakt van OpenAI&#039;s GPT-6 Astra om hun nieuwste modellen te trainen. Moonshot AI weigerde commentaar te geven en DeepSeek reageerde niet, aldus diverse bronnen. <a href=\"https:\/\/the-decoder.com\/openais-astra-becomes-the-main-target-for-chinese-ai-labs-after-anthropic-tightens-its-defenses\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">De decoder<\/a>, Dat artikel citeert The Information. De bewering komt van anonieme bronnen, maar verschijnt een maand nadat OpenAI een eerdere extractiecampagne publiekelijk in verband bracht met mensen die verbonden zijn aan Moonshot.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Wat werd er gerapporteerd?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theinformation.com\/articles\/openais-astra-model-becomes-top-distillation-target-chinas-ai-labs\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">De informatie<\/a> Op woensdag 28 oktober werd gemeld dat DeepSeek en Moonshot AI &quot;sterk afhankelijk&quot; waren van de output van GPT-6 Astra om hun nieuwste modellen te bouwen. Dit werd bevestigd door bronnen met directe kennis van de zaak. <a href=\"https:\/\/money.usnews.com\/investing\/news\/articles\/2026-10-28\/deepseek-moonshot-used-openais-gpt-6-astra-to-train-latest-models-the-information-reports\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Reuters<\/a> Het bericht werd dezelfde dag nog gepubliceerd, met een bronvermelding bij The Information.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Er worden twee modellen genoemd. Het eerste is de Kimi K3.1 Pro van Moonshot, die vorige week is uitgekomen. Het tweede is de verbeterde V4.1-Flash 1017 van DeepSeek, die op 17 oktober is gelanceerd. Volgens het rapport hebben beide modellen geprofiteerd van een verfijning van Astra.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Geen van beide bedrijven heeft zich publiekelijk uitgesproken over de specifieke bewering. Er is geen bewijs gepubliceerd waaruit blijkt hoeveel Astra-olie er is gebruikt of hoe deze is ingezameld. In juli zei Huang Zhenxin, hoofd van de bedrijfsactiviteiten van Moonshot: <a href=\"https:\/\/asiatimes.com\/2026\/07\/us-may-sanction-chinas-moonshot-for-distilling-anthropics-fable\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Het Kimi K3-model werd ontkend te beweren dat het was afgeleid van bestaande modellen.<\/a>, waarbij het bedrijf zijn eigen architectuur als uitgangspunt nam, een dag voordat het Witte Huis Moonshot ervan beschuldigde Anthropic&#039;s Fable te hebben gebruikt om K3 te bouwen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Wat distillatie betekent<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Destillatie is een manier om een AI-model te trainen met de antwoorden van een ander model. Een ontwikkelaar stuurt een sterker model een groot aantal vragen, slaat de antwoorden op en gebruikt deze als trainingsdata. Op grote schaal toegepast, kan dit een kleiner of nieuwer model helpen om sneller en goedkoper enkele vaardigheden van een toonaangevend model over te nemen dan wanneer dergelijke modellen helemaal vanaf nul zouden worden opgebouwd.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Het opsplitsen van grotere modellen in kleinere modellen is een gangbare en legitieme techniek. De discussie gaat over het toepassen van deze techniek op andermans model zonder toestemming. Toonaangevende Amerikaanse laboratoria stellen dat deze praktijk concurrenten in staat stelt geavanceerde functionaliteiten sneller en goedkoper te kopi\u00ebren.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">De eerdere beschuldiging van OpenAI<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Het rapport volgt op een <a href=\"https:\/\/openai.com\/index\/disrupting-a-coordinated-model-distillation-campaign\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">blogpost <span class=\"noTranslate\" data-no-translation=\"\"><span class=\"noTranslate\" data-no-translation=\"\">OpenAI<\/span><\/span> gepubliceerd op 30 september<\/a>. In de verklaring zei OpenAI dat het een geco\u00f6rdineerde campagne had ontdekt en gestopt om de beschermde redenering van zijn modellen te extraheren, oftewel de verborgen werking die een model produceert voordat het een antwoord geeft. De activiteit begon op 1 juli en piekte op 24 en 25 juli, met 16.000 pogingen tot extractie van meer dan 4.000 gebruikers. OpenAI zei dat het gerelateerde activiteit bij meer dan 15.000 gebruikers had gevonden en deze op 28 juli volledig had verstoord. Het bedrijf stelde dat de campagne in strijd was met zijn gebruiksvoorwaarden.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">OpenAI gaf aan dat het onduidelijk was of alle waargenomen operators afkomstig waren van \u00e9\u00e9n enkele partij. Het bedrijf schreef &quot;een kerncluster van de activiteit toe aan personen die verbonden zijn aan Moonshot AI, de ontwikkelaar van Kimi&quot;. In het bericht werd niet vermeld dat er modellen waren getraind op basis van de verzamelde gegevens, en Astra werd niet bij naam genoemd. OpenAI zei ook dat er geen versleuteling, databases of opgeslagen gebruikersgesprekken waren gecompromitteerd. Een woordvoerder van OpenAI zei dat het bedrijf het probleem zeer serieus neemt., <a href=\"https:\/\/the-decoder.com\/openais-astra-becomes-the-main-target-for-chinese-ai-labs-after-anthropic-tightens-its-defenses\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">De Decoder meldde<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Waarom het belangrijk is<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Als het rapport klopt, suggereert het dat het achteraf blokkeren van accounts Chinese laboratoria er niet van heeft weerhouden om te leren van Amerikaanse grensmodellen. Dat roept vragen op over hoeveel bescherming API-voorwaarden werkelijk bieden. Andere laboratoria proberen technische oplossingen. Eerder deze maand meldde Anthropic dat nieuwe maatregelen de hoeveelheid data die werd verzameld bij distillatieaanvallen op hun Claude-modellen met ongeveer 901 TP6T tot 991 TP6T hadden teruggebracht, aldus Reuters.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Er is ook een beleidsaspect. OpenAI heeft &#039;adversarial distillation&#039; (het kopi\u00ebren van modellen van een vijandige computer) bestempeld als een risico voor de nationale veiligheid, omdat gekopieerde functionaliteiten mogelijk niet dezelfde waarborgen bieden als het originele model.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Voorlopig is de belangrijkste bewering gebaseerd op anonieme bronnen. Het is belangrijk om te zien of OpenAI de bewering bevestigt of meer details geeft, en of DeepSeek of Moonshot reageren.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>DeepSeek en Moonshot AI maakten veelvuldig gebruik van GPT-6 Astra-uitvoer om Kimi K3.1 Pro en V4.1-Flash 1017 te trainen, meldt The Information op basis van anonieme bronnen.<\/p>","protected":false},"author":16,"featured_media":15726,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[642],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-15727","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-security"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.8 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>DeepSeek, Moonshot Used GPT-6 Astra to Train Models: Report<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"The Information reports DeepSeek and Moonshot distilled OpenAI&#039;s GPT-6 Astra to train their newest models. 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