{"id":15727,"date":"2026-10-30T10:51:37","date_gmt":"2026-10-30T09:51:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dailyai.com\/?p=15727"},"modified":"2026-10-30T10:51:37","modified_gmt":"2026-10-30T09:51:37","slug":"deepseek-and-moonshot-used-gpt-6-astra-to-train-models-report-says","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dailyai.com\/fr\/2026\/10\/deepseek-and-moonshot-used-gpt-6-astra-to-train-models-report-says\/","title":{"rendered":"DeepSeek et Moonshot ont utilis\u00e9 GPT-6 Astra pour entra\u00eener leurs mod\u00e8les, selon un rapport."},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Selon un article de The Information, deux des laboratoires d&#039;IA les plus r\u00e9put\u00e9s de Chine ont largement utilis\u00e9 GPT-6 Astra d&#039;OpenAI pour entra\u00eener leurs nouveaux mod\u00e8les. Moonshot AI a refus\u00e9 de commenter et DeepSeek n&#039;a pas r\u00e9pondu, d&#039;apr\u00e8s plusieurs sources. <a href=\"https:\/\/the-decoder.com\/openais-astra-becomes-the-main-target-for-chinese-ai-labs-after-anthropic-tightens-its-defenses\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Le d\u00e9codeur<\/a>, Cette affirmation, qui cite The Information, provient de sources anonymes, mais survient un mois apr\u00e8s qu&#039;OpenAI a publiquement li\u00e9 une pr\u00e9c\u00e9dente campagne d&#039;extraction de donn\u00e9es \u00e0 des personnes associ\u00e9es au projet Moonshot.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Ce qui a \u00e9t\u00e9 rapport\u00e9<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theinformation.com\/articles\/openais-astra-model-becomes-top-distillation-target-chinas-ai-labs\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">L'information<\/a> Un article publi\u00e9 le mercredi 28 octobre indiquait que DeepSeek et Moonshot AI s&#039;\u00e9taient \u201c\u00a0fortement appuy\u00e9s\u00a0\u201d sur les donn\u00e9es de GPT-6 Astra pour \u00e9laborer leurs derniers mod\u00e8les. Cet article citait des sources directement inform\u00e9es. <a href=\"https:\/\/money.usnews.com\/investing\/news\/articles\/2026-10-28\/deepseek-moonshot-used-openais-gpt-6-astra-to-train-latest-models-the-information-reports\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Reuters<\/a> Le journal a publi\u00e9 l&#039;information le jour m\u00eame, l&#039;attribuant \u00e0 The Information.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Deux mod\u00e8les sont cit\u00e9s. Le premier est le Kimi K3.1 Pro de Moonshot, sorti la semaine derni\u00e8re. Le second est la version am\u00e9lior\u00e9e V4.1-Flash 1017 de DeepSeek, lanc\u00e9e le 17 octobre. D&#039;apr\u00e8s le rapport, les deux mod\u00e8les b\u00e9n\u00e9ficient de l&#039;int\u00e9gration de la puce Astra.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Aucune des deux entreprises n&#039;a publiquement comment\u00e9 cette all\u00e9gation. Aucune preuve n&#039;a \u00e9t\u00e9 publi\u00e9e concernant la quantit\u00e9 de production d&#039;Astra utilis\u00e9e ni la m\u00e9thode de collecte. En juillet, Huang Zhenxin, directeur commercial de Moonshot, a d\u00e9clar\u00e9\u00a0: <a href=\"https:\/\/asiatimes.com\/2026\/07\/us-may-sanction-chinas-moonshot-for-distilling-anthropics-fable\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Kimi K3 a ni\u00e9 que son mod\u00e8le Kimi K3 soit d\u00e9riv\u00e9 de mod\u00e8les existants.<\/a>, en mettant en avant sa propre architecture, la veille du jour o\u00f9 la Maison Blanche accusait Moonshot de s&#039;\u00eatre inspir\u00e9e de Fable d&#039;Anthropic pour construire K3.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Que signifie la distillation ?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">La distillation est une m\u00e9thode d&#039;entra\u00eenement d&#039;un mod\u00e8le d&#039;IA \u00e0 partir des r\u00e9ponses d&#039;un autre. Un d\u00e9veloppeur soumet un grand nombre de requ\u00eates \u00e0 un mod\u00e8le plus performant, enregistre ses r\u00e9ponses et les utilise comme donn\u00e9es d&#039;entra\u00eenement. Appliqu\u00e9e \u00e0 grande \u00e9chelle, cette technique permet \u00e0 un mod\u00e8le plus petit ou plus r\u00e9cent d&#039;acqu\u00e9rir plus rapidement et \u00e0 moindre co\u00fbt certaines comp\u00e9tences d&#039;un mod\u00e8le de r\u00e9f\u00e9rence, plut\u00f4t que de les d\u00e9velopper de z\u00e9ro.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">La simplification de mod\u00e8les complexes est une technique courante et l\u00e9gitime. Le litige porte sur son application \u00e0 un mod\u00e8le tiers sans autorisation. De grands laboratoires am\u00e9ricains affirment que cette pratique permet \u00e0 leurs concurrents de copier plus rapidement et \u00e0 moindre co\u00fbt des fonctionnalit\u00e9s avanc\u00e9es.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">L&#039;accusation ant\u00e9rieure d&#039;OpenAI<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Le rapport fait suite \u00e0 un <a href=\"https:\/\/openai.com\/index\/disrupting-a-coordinated-model-distillation-campaign\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">article de blog <span class=\"noTranslate\" data-no-translation=\"\"><span class=\"noTranslate\" data-no-translation=\"\">OpenAI<\/span><\/span> publi\u00e9 le 30 septembre<\/a>. Dans un communiqu\u00e9, OpenAI a d\u00e9clar\u00e9 avoir d\u00e9couvert et d\u00e9jou\u00e9 une campagne coordonn\u00e9e visant \u00e0 extraire le raisonnement prot\u00e9g\u00e9 de ses mod\u00e8les, c&#039;est-\u00e0-dire le travail de traitement interne effectu\u00e9 par un mod\u00e8le avant de r\u00e9pondre. Cette activit\u00e9 a d\u00e9but\u00e9 le 1er juillet et a connu un pic les 24 et 25 juillet, avec 16\u00a0000 tentatives d&#039;extraction provenant de plus de 4\u00a0000 utilisateurs. OpenAI a indiqu\u00e9 avoir d\u00e9tect\u00e9 une activit\u00e9 similaire chez plus de 15\u00a0000 utilisateurs et l&#039;avoir totalement neutralis\u00e9e le 28 juillet. L&#039;entreprise a pr\u00e9cis\u00e9 que cette campagne enfreignait ses conditions d&#039;utilisation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">OpenAI a indiqu\u00e9 qu&#039;il \u00e9tait impossible de d\u00e9terminer si tous les op\u00e9rateurs observ\u00e9s provenaient d&#039;un seul et m\u00eame acteur. L&#039;organisation a attribu\u00e9 \u201c\u00a0un noyau dur d&#039;activit\u00e9s \u00e0 des individus li\u00e9s \u00e0 Moonshot AI, le d\u00e9veloppeur de Kimi\u00a0\u201d. Le communiqu\u00e9 ne pr\u00e9cisait pas si un mod\u00e8le avait \u00e9t\u00e9 entra\u00een\u00e9 sur les donn\u00e9es extraites et ne mentionnait pas Astra. OpenAI a \u00e9galement affirm\u00e9 qu&#039;aucun chiffrement, base de donn\u00e9es ou conversation utilisateur stock\u00e9e n&#039;avait \u00e9t\u00e9 compromis. Un porte-parole d&#039;OpenAI a d\u00e9clar\u00e9 que l&#039;entreprise prenait ce probl\u00e8me tr\u00e8s au s\u00e9rieux., <a href=\"https:\/\/the-decoder.com\/openais-astra-becomes-the-main-target-for-chinese-ai-labs-after-anthropic-tightens-its-defenses\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Le d\u00e9codeur a rapport\u00e9<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Pourquoi c&#039;est important<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Si le rapport est exact, il sugg\u00e8re que le blocage a posteriori des comptes n&#039;a pas emp\u00each\u00e9 les laboratoires chinois de s&#039;inspirer des mod\u00e8les am\u00e9ricains de pointe. Cela soul\u00e8ve des questions quant \u00e0 l&#039;efficacit\u00e9 r\u00e9elle des conditions d&#039;utilisation des API. D&#039;autres laboratoires tentent des solutions techniques. Plus t\u00f4t ce mois-ci, Anthropic a annonc\u00e9 que de nouvelles mesures avaient permis de r\u00e9duire d&#039;environ 90% \u00e0 99% la quantit\u00e9 de donn\u00e9es collect\u00e9es lors d&#039;attaques par distillation sur ses mod\u00e8les Claude, selon Reuters.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Il y a aussi un aspect politique \u00e0 prendre en compte. OpenAI a pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 la distillation adverse comme un risque pour la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 nationale, car les capacit\u00e9s copi\u00e9es peuvent ne pas b\u00e9n\u00e9ficier des m\u00eames garanties que le mod\u00e8le original.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Pour l&#039;instant, cette affirmation repose principalement sur des sources anonymes. Il sera essentiel de suivre de pr\u00e8s si OpenAI confirme ou apporte des pr\u00e9cisions, et si DeepSeek ou Moonshot r\u00e9agissent.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>DeepSeek et Moonshot AI se sont fortement appuy\u00e9s sur les sorties de GPT-6 Astra pour entra\u00eener Kimi K3.1 Pro et V4.1-Flash 1017, rapporte The Information, citant des sources anonymes.<\/p>","protected":false},"author":16,"featured_media":15726,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[642],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-15727","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-security"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.8 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>DeepSeek, Moonshot Used GPT-6 Astra to Train Models: Report<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"The Information reports DeepSeek and Moonshot distilled OpenAI&#039;s GPT-6 Astra to train their newest models. 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